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02/13/2023 01:30 PM Senate LABOR & COMMERCE

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01:34:05 PM Start
01:34:47 PM Presentation(s): National Education Association - Alaska Workforce Challenges
02:12:43 PM Presentation(s): Association of Alaska School Boards Workforce Challenges
02:37:21 PM Adjourn
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-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
+ Workforce Challenges in Alaska TELECONFERENCED
from the Perspective of Public Education
Presenters:
- Dr. Lisa Parady, Executive Director, Alaska
Council of School Administrators
- Tom Klaameyer, President, NEA-Alaska
- Lon Garrison, Executive Director, Association
of Alaska School Boards
**Streamed live on AKL.tv**
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
          SENATE LABOR AND COMMERCE STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                        
                       February 13, 2023                                                                                        
                           1:34 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Jesse Bjorkman, Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Click Bishop, Vice Chair                                                                                                
Senator Elvi Gray-Jackson                                                                                                       
Senator Kelly Merrick                                                                                                           
Senator Forrest Dunbar                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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PRESENTATION(S): NATIONAL EDUCATION ASSOCIATION - ALASKA                                                                        
WORKFORCE CHALLENGES                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION(S): ASSOCIATION OF ALASKA SCHOOL BOARDS                                                                            
WORKFORCE CHALLENGES                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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TOM KLAAMEYER, President                                                                                                        
National Education Association-Alaska (NEA)                                                                                     
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Gave an NEA-Alaska presentation on Alaska's                                                               
Public Education Workforce.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
LON GARRISON, Executive Director                                                                                                
Association of Alaska School Boards                                                                                             
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Gave a presentation on the need to improve                                                                
the recruitment and retention of school district staff.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:34:05 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  JESSE  BJORKMAN  called  the  Senate  Labor  and  Commerce                                                             
Standing Committee meeting  to order at 1:34 p.m.  Present at the                                                               
call  to  order  were  Senators  Dunbar,  Merrick,  Gray-Jackson,                                                               
Bishop, and Chair Bjorkman.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(S):   NATIONAL  EDUCATION   ASSOCIATION  -   ALASKA                                                               
WORKFORCE CHALLENGES                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
    PRESENTATION(S): NATIONAL EDUCATION ASSOCIATION - ALASKA                                                                
                      WORKFORCE CHALLENGES                                                                                  
                                                                                                                              
1:34:47 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  BJORKMAN  announced  a   presentation  from  the  National                                                               
Education  Association-Alaska  and   the  Alaska  Association  of                                                               
School Boards.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:35:21 PM                                                                                                                    
TOM KLAAMEYER, President, National  Education Association (NEA) -                                                               
Alaska,  Anchorage, Alaska,  gave an  NEA-Alaska presentation  on                                                               
Alaska's  Public  Education  Workforce.  He  expressed  pride  in                                                               
testifying  on  behalf  of  almost  10,000  educators,  including                                                               
classroom  teachers,   specialists,  teacher  aides,   and  other                                                               
excellent   educators  in   schools   statewide.   He  said   the                                                               
association  is   committed  to   policies  that   promote  equal                                                               
educational  opportunity  and   high-quality  education  for  all                                                               
students.  He represents  teachers  with  firsthand expertise  in                                                               
delivering  lessons   and  creating  environments   conducive  to                                                               
learning.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. KLAAMEYER  advanced to slide 3,  stating Alaska used to  be a                                                               
top  destination for  educators  in the  country. Alaska  offered                                                               
competitive  compensation and  benefits  packages that  attracted                                                               
and retained top-notch educators. He  recalled that when he first                                                               
applied  for a  teaching  job at  the  Anchorage School  District                                                               
(ASD)  in 1996,  he feared  ASD would  not hire  him. That  was a                                                               
legitimate fear  at the time  as stories abounded  about teachers                                                               
subbing for  three years or  longer before getting hired.  As the                                                               
Eagle  River  High School  social  studies  department chair,  he                                                               
hired for one vacancy that had  75 applicants on the "eligible to                                                               
hire"  list in  2010.  More  teachers applied,  but  only 75  got                                                               
through  the  first vetting.  He  said  he  chose from  the  best                                                               
teachers in his  district, applicants from across  the state, and                                                               
many from the Lower 48. That was the norm at that time.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:37:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. KLAAMEYER  advanced to  slide 4,  stating he  has seen  a sea                                                               
change in  the workforce  and a  sharp decline  in the  number of                                                               
applicants during  his tenure. At job  fairs, more administrators                                                               
are  in attendance  than applicants.  Alaska has  always been  an                                                               
importer  of  teachers,  but a  national  teaching  shortage  has                                                               
intensified  the  demand  for  more  teachers  in  recent  years.                                                               
Researchers at  Kansas State University estimate  that the nation                                                               
has more  than 36,500  teaching vacancies  and more  than 163,000                                                               
positions  filled by  teachers  who are  not  fully certified  or                                                               
fully certified in the subject  area they teach. Washington state                                                               
alone has  over 15,000  educators in  their classrooms  with only                                                               
emergency certification; a  staggering 1 out of  5 teachers still                                                               
need full licensure in that state.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KLAAMEYER reviewed  slide 5,  which showed  a University  of                                                               
Alaska "ATP Alaska Teacher Placement"  website page. He said that                                                               
like with  most industries,  it is harder  to recruit  workers to                                                               
Alaska. It  gets progressively difficult the  further a community                                                               
is from the road system. Slide  5 indicated Alaska had 1,144 open                                                               
teaching positions as of February  9, 2023, when school districts                                                               
were well through half of the school year.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:38:52 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  KLAAMEYER reviewed  slide 6,  which showed  a "quick  facts"                                                               
data  summary   from  the  Department  of   Education  and  Early                                                               
Development (DEED) website. Slide 6 reads:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     2010 - 2011                                                                                                                
     Pupil to teacher Ratio (PTR) - 15.60                                                                                       
       Number of classroom teacher - 8,468 including part-                                                                      
     time                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     2021-2022                                                                                                                  
     Pupil to Teacher Ratio - 17.17                                                                                             
     Number of classroom teachers - 7,427                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
    There   are   1,000    fewer   certificated   educators                                                                     
     supporting student learning in Alaska's public schools                                                                     
     today than in 2010.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He summed up  slide 6, stating over 2,100 fewer  adults work with                                                               
kids in  schools today than  a decade ago. Educators  face larger                                                               
class sizes, annual  budget fights that include  layoffs and pink                                                               
slips,  and a  growing  awareness that  the teacher's  retirement                                                               
system puts  them at  financial risk. It  all leads  to increased                                                               
workloads, stress,  and burnout, accelerating the  cycle of those                                                               
that leave Alaska and the education profession.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KLAAMEYER said  that every  day  that Alaska  fails to  take                                                               
steps to retain  the best and brightest and attract  new hires to                                                               
fill vacancies,  school districts would slip  further and further                                                               
behind as other states step up  for their kids and communities by                                                               
investing in their children's futures.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:40:12 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. KLAAMEYER summarized a University  of Alaska report titled "A                                                               
Plan  for Revitalizing  Teacher Education  in Alaska."  The state                                                               
could  improve  outcomes  by  attracting  and  keeping  the  best                                                               
educators in  Alaska. The  state needs to  invest in  growing and                                                               
retaining  its own  education  workforce.  Alaska graduates  less                                                               
than 200 newly  certificated teachers each year; he  said that he                                                               
heard Steve Atwater of [SGA  Education Consulting] say the number                                                               
of  graduates  is  closer  to  160. He  compared  the  number  of                                                               
certificated teachers to the number  of new teachers Alaska needs                                                               
each  year, which  is  1,000.  He cited  an  Alaska Public  Media                                                               
article  detailing the  findings of  a study  that tracked  6,000                                                               
Alaskans after  graduation. Of those  class of 2005  students who                                                               
earned a  two or four-year  college degree in Alaska,  55 percent                                                               
had remained  in the  state as  of 2011.  However, of  those that                                                               
earned their degrees outside of  Alaska, only 25 percent lived in                                                               
the  state  by  2021.  The state's  university  system  does  not                                                               
produce enough teaching graduates  in Alaska, so school districts                                                               
have  to  recruit educators  from  outside.  He wondered  how  to                                                               
attract  teachers  from  outside Alaska  without  incentives.  If                                                               
Alaska funded tuition assistance  or tuition forgiveness to teach                                                               
in the  state, more  would choose  to teach,  and with  a defined                                                               
benefit retirement option, more would choose to stay.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:41:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. KLAAMEYER reviewed slide 8, stating NEA believes:                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
      Restoring a defined benefit retirement option is one                                                                      
     of the most effective retention tools we have                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He  elaborated that  this is  the critical  component to  keeping                                                               
more of  Alaska's educators living  and working in the  state. He                                                               
said the state's  actuarial analysis last year showed  that it is                                                               
possible to  do this and save  the state over $60,000,000  in the                                                               
near term.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. KLAAMEYER  advanced to slide  9 and thanked the  governor for                                                               
his  initiative,   work,  and  his  commitment   to  the  Teacher                                                               
Retention  and Recruitment  Working  Group.  He said  forthcoming                                                               
reports  and  an  action plan  will  include  substantial  policy                                                               
recommendations. Slide  9 pictures  the cover  page of  the April                                                               
2021 teacher  retention and  recruitment survey  results prepared                                                               
for DEED by Dr. Barbara L. Adams of Adams Analytic Solutions.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:42:27 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  KLAAMEYER summarized  results  of one  survey  on slide  10,                                                               
titled  "Table  1.2:  Personal Importance  Top  15  Rankings  for                                                               
Subgroups by Role."  He said this was perhaps  the largest survey                                                               
of certificated educators ever conducted  in the state. Educators                                                               
ranked factors  of personal importance  that kept them  in public                                                               
education  in  Alaska.  The top  four  factors  for  certificated                                                               
educators were:                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
- Salary                                                                                                                        
- Working conditions                                                                                                            
- Connecting with students                                                                                                      
- Fixing the state's broken retirement system.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KLAAMEYER  said   school  administrators  ranked  retirement                                                               
benefits  number one.  Alaska administrators  identified improved                                                               
retirement benefits  as the top  tool for teacher  retention. The                                                               
survey  had  over 4,000  respondents  who  provided feedback  and                                                               
solutions to retention challenges.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KLAAMEYER  reviewed slide  11,  which  discusses the  survey                                                               
question on solutions to attracting  and retaining educators. The                                                               
results are compelling. Of the  top eight solutions, three had to                                                               
do with retirement. Respondents identified  a return to a defined                                                               
benefit retirement system  as the top solution. This  issue is of                                                               
paramount importance for educators.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:44:45 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  KLAAMEYER advanced  to  slides  12 and  13  to describe  why                                                               
restoring  a defined  benefit retirement  option is  important to                                                               
educators. He displayed an Anchorage  Daily News opinion piece by                                                               
Janice Strickland, English Department  Chair at Bettye Davis East                                                               
Anchorage High School. She wrote:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     "a  homegrown Alaskan,  but  she's  leaving because  we                                                                    
     have  no  retirement  program?Lack of  retirement  also                                                                    
     plays  a  role in  (the  other  teacher's) decision  to                                                                    
     leave?And I hate to say  this, but I believe I'm losing                                                                    
     two more next year."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KLAAMEYER advanced  to slide  14, stating  Alaska ended  its                                                               
pension system  in 2006 and is  now the only state  that does not                                                               
offer teachers a defined benefits  option for retirement. Teacher                                                               
retirement  system (TRS)  members are  denied the  safety net  of                                                               
Social  Security.  Further,  teachers   who  have  earned  Social                                                               
Security  in other  jobs before  becoming a  teacher, or  accrued                                                               
enough  earnings   through  summer  and  weekend   jobs,  lose  a                                                               
substantial portion of those Social  Security benefits because of                                                               
an arcane rule  called the government pension  offset (GPO) [and]                                                               
windfall  elimination  provision (WEP).  The  chart  on slide  14                                                               
overviews  teacher  retirement   offerings  by  state,  comparing                                                               
Social Security coverage, DB access, and plan types.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:47:17 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. KLAAMEYER advanced  to slide 15, which likened the  legs of a                                                               
three-legged  stool with  Social  Security, a  pension plan,  and                                                               
personal savings.  With all  three financial  legs firmly  on the                                                               
ground,  one  can reasonably  expect  stability  and security  in                                                               
retirement.  However,  without  a  pension  or  Social  Security,                                                               
Alaska puts educators  at financial risk in  retirement. It gives                                                               
teachers a  huge disincentive  to stay in  the state  after their                                                               
five-year  vesting  period,  taking their  defined  contributions                                                               
(DC) to invest elsewhere for retirement.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:48:01 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MERRICK  asked about opting  out of Social  Security. She                                                               
expressed her  understanding that teachers voted  around the time                                                               
of statehood to make that decision.  She asked what it would take                                                               
to reverse  that decision and what  the impetus was to  make that                                                               
decision in the first place.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KLAAMEYER  replied that  it  is  his understanding  that  it                                                               
happened about  1951. The decision  was made that  the retirement                                                               
system  offered through  the territory  at that  time was  better                                                               
than  Social  Security.  This  has become  a  problem  since  the                                                               
erosion of  the state  pension system because  the issue  has not                                                               
kept  up with  the times.  For those  in the  DC program,  Social                                                               
Security  considers  it a  pension  even  though  it is  not  for                                                               
purposes of GPO  penalties. A number of  mechanisms are available                                                               
to return to Social Security  through a vote at the municipality,                                                               
borough, or school  district level. Statewide it  is more complex                                                               
and  difficult;  it would  obligate  districts  to contribute  an                                                               
additional  6.2  percent  to Social  Security  with  an  employee                                                               
match, creating additional pressure on district budgets.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:49:55 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  BISHOP directed  attention  to the  chart  on slide  14,                                                               
comparing teacher retirements by  state. He asked whether Alabama                                                               
has Social Security coverage.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. KLAAMEYER replied that about  one dozen states have opted out                                                               
of Social Security.  He said that he could not  name all of them,                                                               
but all public employees in Alabama have Social Security.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BISHOP  sought confirmation  that Alabaman  teachers have                                                               
both Social Security and a defined benefit plan.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. KLAAMEYER  replied that  is correct.  He clarified  that some                                                               
states on  the chart  have defined  benefit access,  meaning they                                                               
have hybrid plans,  some are optional, and some have  both DB and                                                               
DC. Alaska  is the only  state that has  no choice for  a defined                                                               
benefit.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:50:58 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. KLAAMEYER  discussed a "target  date simulation  exercise" on                                                               
slide 16,  which explores  the level of  financial security  a DC                                                               
plan participant could expect in retirement:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
      "Target Date Fund Simulation Exercise" or "multiple                                                                       
     probability simulation"                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
        • Developed by the Department of Revenue at the                                                                         
        request of the Department of Administration in                                                                          
        consultation with investment consultant Callan                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
        • Simulates 10,000 30-year-careers and shows the                                                                        
        probability of having enough retirement savings to                                                                      
        have a 30 year retirement                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
    • Find        the       full       analysis       here:                                                                     
        https://bit.ly/AKmontecarlo                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:51:21 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. KLAAMEYER  advanced to the  chart on  slide 17. Based  on the                                                               
"target  date   simulation  exercise"  calculations,   the  chart                                                               
compares the probability of  financial success PERS, Police/Fire,                                                               
and TRS employees should have in retirement.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                     Probability of Success                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                Police/                                                                       
                                           PERS Fire   TRS                                                                    
                                             [by percentage]                                                                  
     30-Year Career, No SBS                 22   22     31                                                                      
     30-Year Career, No SBS, With 6.13 percent                                                                                  
       Deferred Comp.                       48   48     56                                                                      
     30-Year Career, With SBS               69   69     *                                                                       
     30-Year Career, With SBS, With 6.13 percent                                                                                
       Deferred Comp.                       83   83     *                                                                       
     25-Year Career, No SBS                 6    6      10                                                                      
     25-Year Career, No SBS, With 6.13 percent                                                                                  
       Deferred Comp.                       22   22     28                                                                      
     25-Year Career, With SBS               43   43     *                                                                       
     25-Year Career, With SBS, With 6.13 percent                                                                                
       Deferred Comp.                       61   61     *                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Success in retirement is defined as having 70 percent                                                                      
     of your final pay available to you for 30 years.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KLAAMEYER  reviewed the  chart,  stating  the percentage  of                                                               
teachers expected to run out  of money in retirement is appalling                                                               
and  unacceptable.  It is  no  wonder  teachers are  leaving  the                                                               
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:52:01 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. KLAAMEYER  advanced to the  graph on  slide 18. He  said this                                                               
shows the  same data as slide  17 but in graph  format. The graph                                                               
demonstrates only the top quartile  of TRS retirees are projected                                                               
to have enough money in  retirement. He repeated this issue needs                                                               
to be fixed.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KLAAMEYER reviewed  slide 19 to discuss  reasons pensions are                                                               
not only good for teachers but for the state too:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Why pensions?                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     • More efficient use of our investment dollar                                                                              
     • Liability to the state can be managed and/or mitigated                                                                   
     • Absolutely improves retention                                                                                            
        • Reduces recruitment costs                                                                                             
        • Increases investment in Alaska                                                                                        
        • Keeps more taxpayer dollars in the state                                                                              
        • Improves student outcomes!                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:53:12 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. KLAAMEYER reviewed slide 20  to address defined benefit plans                                                               
and  their   liability  to  the  state.   More  specifically,  he                                                               
addressed how the state's unfunded liability developed:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          How did Alaska's unfunded liability develop?                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     • Escalating and generous health care costs                                                                                
     • Declining investment earnings during the recession of                                                                    
        2000  2003                                                                                                              
     • Bad actuarial advice from Mercer                                                                                         
        "when the actuary, Milliman, audited Mercer  in 2002 they                                                               
        found that the number Mercer  used was 14% too  low. In a                                                               
        lawsuit against Mercer, by the state,  it was later found                                                               
        that the Mercer  actuaries not only  erred, but  lied and                                                               
      covered up the errors for more than one valuation."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. KLAAMEYER said pensions themselves  are not the problem. They                                                               
are  beneficial to  employees,  employers,  communities, and  the                                                               
state if  they are managed  properly. The specter of  an unfunded                                                               
liability is eliminated if contributions  in and payments out are                                                               
managed properly.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:55:32 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. KLAAMEYER advanced to slide 21 and spoke to a study                                                                         
conducted by the National Institute of Retirement Security                                                                      
(NIRS):                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                 A BETTER BANG FOR THE BUCK 3.0                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
                   Post-Retirement Experience                                                                                   
                 Drives Pension Cost Advantage                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
       • Longevity risk pooling. The pooling of longevity                                                                     
        risk in DB  pensions enables  them to  fund benefits                                                                    
        based on average life  expectancy, and yet  pay each                                                                    
        worker monthly income no matter how  long they live.                                                                    
        In  contrast,   DC   plans   must   receive   excess                                                                    
        contributions to enable  each worker  to self-insure                                                                    
        against  the  possibility  of   living  longer  than                                                                    
        average.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        • Higher investment returns. DB pensions realize                                                                      
        higher net  investment returns  due to  professional                                                                    
       management and lower fees from economies of scale.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
    • Optimally    balanced   investment   portfolios.   DB                                                                   
        pensions are "ageless" and therefore can perpetually                                                                    
        maintain an optimally balanced  investment portfolio                                                                    
        rather than the typical individual strategy of down-                                                                    
        shifting over  time  to  a lower  risk/return  asset                                                                    
        allocation. This  means  that  over a  lifetime,  DB                                                                    
        pensions earn higher investment returns as compared                                                                     
        to DC accounts.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Read the full report NIRS "A Better Bang for the Buck                                                                      
     3.0" at https://bit.ly/NIRSBetterbangforthebuck                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:58:00 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. KLAAMEYER  advanced to slide  22 and continued the  review of                                                               
the NIRS study:                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
       Even with updated assumptions and methodology, DB                                                                        
      pensions still offer substantial cost advantage over                                                                      
     DC plans. The analysis finds:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     • A typical DB plan, with advantages based on longevity                                                                    
        risk pooling, asset allocation, low fees and professional                                                               
        management, has a 49 percent cost advantage compared to a                                                               
        typical individually directed DC plan:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
        • The longevity risk pooling that occurs in the DB plan                                                                 
          accounts for 7 percent cost savings;                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
        • The DB plan's ability to maintain a more diversified                                                                  
          portfolio drives another 12 percent cost savings;                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        • Superior net investment returns, due to lower fees and                                                                
          professional management, generate an additional 30                                                                    
          percent reduction in cost.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. KLAAMEYER  advanced to  slide 23,  stating every  other state                                                               
offers their public servants an  option to earn a pension, Social                                                               
Security, or  both. Many  states have  stable pension  plans with                                                               
predictable  and manageable  costs.  The  Tax Foundation  reports                                                               
Wisconsin's  pension plan  is 96  percent funded,  Idaho's is  94                                                               
percent funded, and South Dakota's is 99 percent funded.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:59:13 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. KLAAMEYER advanced  to slide 24 to discuss  the attributes of                                                               
these solid, sustainable, affordable pension systems:                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     • Cautious assumptions about rate of return. Plans are                                                                   
        built to become overfunded over time.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     • Stabilizers and triggers are built-in to mitigate                                                                      
        liabilities. Employee risk sharing mechanisms include:                                                                              
        • Reducing or eliminating post-retirement cost-of-living                                                                
          adjustments.                                                                                                          
        • Increasable employee contributions.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:00:23 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. KLAAMEYER advanced to slides  25 and 26 to discuss additional                                                               
benefits of  reinstituting a defined  benefit plan. He  said that                                                               
pensions provide  a powerful incentive  for educators to  stay in                                                               
the state,  which benefits the state  economically. Educators who                                                               
remain in  Alaska are more likely  to buy homes, invest  in their                                                               
communities,  and   put  down  roots.  Since   2006,  educational                                                               
tourists have enjoyed a five-year  Alaska adventure while vesting                                                               
in their DC plan. With no  compelling reason to stay, they leave,                                                               
taking their  training, experience,  and an estimated  40 million                                                               
in  defined   contribution  dollars  with  them   annually.  More                                                               
teachers  would stay  with a  defined benefit  retirement option,                                                               
and  more  would remain  after  retirement.  This would  cause  a                                                               
multiplier  effect, meaning  the money  invested in  educators is                                                               
spent in  the state supporting  local businesses  and stimulating                                                               
the economy.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:01:46 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNBAR directed  attention to  slide 24,  which mentions                                                               
employee  risk-sharing mechanisms.  He asked  what Mr.  Klaameyer                                                               
thought the details of a  good, efficient retirement system would                                                               
look like for teachers.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. KLAAMEYER  replied that one  of the Alaska  Teacher Retention                                                               
and  Recruitment   Working  Group   (TRR)  subcommittees   is  on                                                               
retirement, and  this subcommittee  commissioned a NIRS  study to                                                               
look at  those mechanisms. The  study should be  available before                                                               
session  adjourns this  year. House  Bill 220  from the  previous                                                               
legislature included the risk-sharing  mechanisms listed on slide                                                               
24: post-retirement  cost of living reduction  and the adjustable                                                               
employee  contribution. The  bill  had provisions  for a  vesting                                                               
period,  an escalating  formulaic  retirement based  on years  of                                                               
service, the option  for a DC or  DB plan, and the  option for DC                                                               
members to convert 403(b) dollars to the defined benefit plan.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:06:09 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  KLAAMEYER summarized  slide 27.  He spoke  about recruitment                                                               
costs,  stating the  following Institute  of Social  and Economic                                                               
Research  (ISER) numbers  are from  2017. He  expressed that  the                                                               
costs are  probably higher  today. At that  time, it  cost school                                                               
districts   $20,000  per   person  to   recruit  and   retrain  a                                                               
replacement  teacher  for  one  who  had  left  for  a  total  of                                                               
$20,000,000   statewide  annually.   The  state   reduces  school                                                               
district costs if  it retains more teachers. The  cost to retrain                                                               
school administrators is  larger, in the $75,000  or higher range                                                               
per person.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:07:10 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. KLAAMEYER advanced  to slide 28 to  discuss student outcomes,                                                               
stating  that  student  performance   suffers  from  the  ongoing                                                               
revolving door  of educator turnover. Diane  Hirshberg, Professor                                                               
of  Education  Policy, UAA  Center  for  Alaska Education  Policy                                                               
Research at  ISER, researched and  identified a  clear connection                                                               
between teacher  turnover and student  outcomes. He said  that it                                                               
is  apparent students  perform  higher  from stable,  consistent,                                                               
experienced, talented staff that  build relationships and connect                                                               
with their students  in a nurturing environment.  The chart below                                                               
illustrates that  student performance in schools  with the lowest                                                               
teacher  turnover is  nearly twice  that of  students in  schools                                                               
with the highest teacher turnover:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
      In Alaska high teacher turnover correlated with poor                                                                      
     student achievement.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                              Average   Average Percent of                                                                  
                              Teacher   students scoring                                                                    
                              Turnover  proficient in Reading                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     5 Lowest Turnover Districts 8.7 percent 85.8 percent                                                                       
     5 Highest Turnover Districts 37.9 percent 46.9 percent                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                              UAA Center for Alaska                                                             
                                           Education Policy Research                                                            
                                        University of Alaska Anchorage                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:08:35 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. KLAAMEYER reviewed  slides 29 and 30, stating  that the state                                                               
needs to act before it worsens.  He presented a story about James                                                               
Harris, 2017  Alaska Teacher of  the Year. The Alaska  Teacher of                                                               
the Year award  is the highest distinction bestowed  on a teacher                                                               
in the  state. Mr.  Harris was  a published  author and  a hockey                                                               
coach  and  had  an  incredible   personal  story  of  overcoming                                                               
childhood  trauma and  adversity. He  was an  inspiration to  his                                                               
students  and community.  The financial  risk of  staying in  the                                                               
state  as an  educator outweighed  his  love for  Alaska and  his                                                               
students. He  felt he had  no choice  but to leave.  A phenomenal                                                               
teacher and role  model was lost. Mr. Harris was  the face of the                                                               
best and brightest.  Alaska will continue to  lose these teachers                                                               
until  state entities  work  together to  change  the system  and                                                               
invest  in students,  educators,  schools,  communities, and  the                                                               
state's financial future.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:09:53 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  BISHOP  asked  if  he   had  an  estimate  of  how  many                                                               
foreigners are teaching in Alaska.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. KLAAMEYER  replied that he  does not.  He said that  he heard                                                               
there is  a significant  number of  J-1 VISAs  and that  there is                                                               
supposed  to be  a cultural  exchange. However,  there have  been                                                               
difficulties  with  that.  It  is  a  good  stop-gap  measure  to                                                               
ameliorate teacher  vacancies, but  foreigners can only  stay for                                                               
two years. The program's success  has mixed results; it certainly                                                               
is not a retention tool.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BISHOP  said this might be  a good data point  for future                                                               
meetings for those who like Alaska hire.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:11:02 PM                                                                                                                    
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2:12:43 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   BJORKMAN  reconvened   the   meeting   and  announced   a                                                               
presentation  from the  Association of  Alaska School  Boards. He                                                               
invited Mr. Garrison  to put himself on the record  and begin the                                                               
presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:12:59 PM                                                                                                                    
LON GARRISON,  Executive Director,  Association of  Alaska School                                                               
Boards  (AASB),  Juneau,  Alaska,  gave  a  presentation  on  the                                                               
crucial need to  improve the retention and  recruitment of school                                                               
district staff. He  read the following letter, shown  on slides 1                                                               
and 2, into the record:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
      Senate Education Committee Supporting Retention and                                                                       
     Recruitment - Testimony                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Lon Garrison, Executive Director                                                                                           
     Association of Alaska School Boards.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     February 13, 2025 [2023]                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Good  afternoon  Chair  Bjorkman  and  members  of  the                                                                    
     Senate  Labor  & Commerce  Committee.  My  name is  Lon                                                                    
     Garrison.  I serve  as the  Executive  Director of  the                                                                    
     Association  of   Alaska  School   Boards.  We   are  a                                                                    
     nonprofit association established in  1954 and serve 52                                                                    
     of  Alaska's 54  school districts.  Thank you  for this                                                                    
     opportunity  to speak  to you  today about  the crucial                                                                    
     need  to  improve  the  retention  and  recruitment  of                                                                    
     school district staff.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:13:27 PM                                                                                                                    
     AASB's   Board   of   Directors   has   adopted   three                                                                    
     legislative priorities for this year. They are:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     •  Sufficient, sustainable,  and predictable  education                                                                    
        funding                                                                                                                 
     •  Retention    and     recruitment    of     teachers,                                                                    
        administrators, and staff                                                                                               
     • Student wellness and safety                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     These  priorities and  the  supporting resolutions  and                                                                    
     beliefs  of the  AASB membership  are appended  to this                                                                    
     testimony.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     School  districts  face   an  unprecedented  crisis  of                                                                    
     retaining    and   recruiting    qualified,   effective                                                                    
     teachers,  administrators,  and   support  staff.  This                                                                    
     personnel  crisis  seriously  hinders  our  ability  to                                                                    
     provide Alaska  students with  a quality  education. It                                                                    
     makes  it  extremely  difficult for  school  boards  to                                                                    
     fulfill  the state's  constitutional responsibility  to                                                                    
     provide a  quality public  education for  every student                                                                    
     every day.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Public  schools  are  a  complex  system  of  students,                                                                    
     personnel, policy,  regulation, standards, assessments,                                                                    
     curriculum, and governing boards  of education. To make                                                                    
     all of  this work,  we rely upon  a multitude  of staff                                                                    
     and elected officials playing their part.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:14:44 PM                                                                                                                    
     As you have heard many  times before, one of the single                                                                    
     most  important  determinants   of  whether  a  student                                                                    
     succeeds in school is the  quality of the educator that                                                                    
     works  with  the   student.  While  effective  learning                                                                    
     requires  a  high-quality  teacher, the  entire  school                                                                    
     system must  support that crucial opportunity  for that                                                                    
     teacher  and  student  to be  together.  This  means  a                                                                    
     multitude  of  other  staff  is   needed  to  make  the                                                                    
     learning experience the best that it can be.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Here  is a  sample  of  the staff  required  to make  a                                                                    
     student and teacher's  learning opportunity worthwhile:                                                                    
     School   secretaries,   facility   maintenance   staff,                                                                    
     janitors,   cooks,  para-professionals   and  classroom                                                                    
     aides,  librarians,  bus drivers,  principals,  special                                                                    
     education directors,  curriculum directors, principals,                                                                    
     assistant superintendents, and  superintendents to name                                                                    
     a few.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     So  while   we  focus   on  retaining   and  recruiting                                                                    
     certified  staff, we  must remember  the importance  of                                                                    
     all positions,  working together  to make that  hour of                                                                    
     language  arts,  math,  science,  social  studies,  and                                                                    
     don't forget ART, the best that it can be.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     As we  think about improving student  outcomes, we must                                                                    
     recognize the collective impact  that all the pieces of                                                                    
     this  complex system  have on  educating every  student                                                                    
     every day.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:16:24 PM                                                                                                                    
     School  districts across  the  state  struggle to  fill                                                                    
     many of  these critical  positions. School  boards have                                                                    
     few options to entice staff to  stay on or new staff to                                                                    
     join the team. So what can be done?                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     1. An increase  in school  funding through  the BSA  is                                                                    
        essential to providing the resources to hire and                                                                        
        appropriately compensate the staff necessary to                                                                         
        support good teaching and learning.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     2. The state  must institute  a competitive  retirement                                                                    
        and health benefits system to attract both out-of-                                                                      
        state candidates and, more importantly, motivate our                                                                    
        citizens to take up a career in education.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     3. Improve  and  expand  our  teacher  preparation  and                                                                    
        certification programs within Alaska.  Alaskans have                                                                    
        the greatest propensity  to stay in  our communities                                                                    
        and provide long-term,  positive impacts  on student                                                                    
        outcomes.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     4. Our public education system needs to  do far more to                                                                    
        facilitate   and    guide   Alaskan    students   to                                                                    
        postsecondary opportunities, whether that is college                                                                    
        or a  skilled trade.  We have  untapped and  frankly                                                                    
        neglected resources  (our students,  our businesses,                                                                    
        our  tribes,   and  local   governments)  that   can                                                                    
      significantly aid in filling the workforce deficit.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     5. We can  stop the  finger-pointing, the  vitriol, and                                                                    
        the distrust.  Instead, lets   roll up  our sleeves,                                                                    
        come together as  Alaskans and  solve this  issue by                                                                    
        agreeing to focus on what is  best for students and,                                                                    
        in turn, the state of Alaska.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:18:08 PM                                                                                                                    
     Locally elected  school boards have been  delegated the                                                                    
     authority to implement a system  of public education on                                                                    
     behalf of  the state of  Alaska. Public education  is a                                                                    
     complex system that  requires a comprehensive approach,                                                                    
     and  this   committee's  leadership  and   support  are                                                                    
     crucial  to its  success. School  boards implement  the                                                                    
     local control  model that has  served Alaska  well, but                                                                    
     they depend  on your support. AASB  strongly encourages                                                                    
     your efforts  to address policies and  regulations that                                                                    
     will create competitive  benefit programs, grow-our-own                                                                    
     workforce development,  and assist our own  students in                                                                    
     taking  advantage  of opportunities  for  postsecondary                                                                    
     training.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Thank you for the opportunity to testify today.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Lon D. Garrison, Executive Director, AASB                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:20:46 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BISHOP  directed attention to  bullet number 4  and read,                                                               
"Our public education  system needs to do far  more to facilitate                                                               
and guide  Alaskan students  to postsecondary  opportunities." He                                                               
said the state  created career pathways for this in  2010. It was                                                               
endorsed  by the  Department of  Education and  Early Development                                                               
(DEED),  the  Department  of   Labor  and  Workforce  Development                                                               
(DOLWD),  and  the  University   of  Alaska  (UA).  Every  school                                                               
district has  a copy  of it.  The template is  there, and  it has                                                               
been revised.  Twenty-five percent of graduating  seniors need to                                                               
attend college, and  the other 75 percent need to  learn a trade.                                                               
He said  the state is not  hitting those marks, and  all involved                                                               
need to double down on the pathways and hit those marks.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BISHOP  stated accountability is determined  by more than                                                               
kindergarten  through  12th  grade  (K-12)  outcomes,  which  are                                                               
important  factors,   but  do  not  encompass   all  elements  in                                                               
measuring accountability. He recalled a 2005 DOLWD 10-year post-                                                                
graduation  study, stating  the  full  measure of  accountability                                                               
includes what  happens after high school  graduation. Some pupils                                                               
may not  be A,  B, or  C students, but  if they  get a  trade and                                                               
start  contributing  to  society   after  graduation  as  skilled                                                               
tradespersons,  that's success.  He  expressed  his opinion  that                                                               
this is what the system should be doing.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:23:19 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  BJORKMAN  asked how  school  districts  are innovating  to                                                               
incentivize and win over prospective employees.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. GARRISON  replied that is  a tough question because  there is                                                               
not  a  lot  districts  can  do.  He  said  it  is  difficult  to                                                               
incentivize educators  to teach in rural  areas, especially areas                                                               
that lack  basic amenities  like running  water that  people from                                                               
urban areas  are accustomed  to having.  Signing bonuses  are the                                                               
most  common incentive.  Other  incentives,  depending on  school                                                               
district  constraints,  include  compensation   in  the  form  of                                                               
professional  development and  advancement in  the step  and lane                                                               
system [salary  schedule]. An  alternate idea  is doing  the best                                                               
marketing  job possible,  highlighting the  unique experience  of                                                               
rural teaching, village life, and  the people. Without incentives                                                               
for  retirement and  wage security,  it is  difficult to  compete                                                               
with positions  in the  Lower 48  that offer  financially viable,                                                               
long-term plans.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BJORKMAN asked  whether the communities on  the road system                                                               
that resemble  communities in  the Lower 48  can compete  for the                                                               
best employees.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:25:46 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. GARRISON answered  it is a bit easier for  communities on the                                                               
road  system;  however,  the  gap   between  roadside  and  rural                                                               
communities is  diminishing. A contributing factor  is high PTRs,                                                               
which  the  Anchorage  school  district  is  experiencing.  Their                                                               
pupil-teacher ratios  are beginning to increase  dramatically. He                                                               
explained that  teachers with  30 6th  or 7th  graders experience                                                               
burnout; this  does not  incentivize teachers  to stay  on. Fewer                                                               
teachers  correlate to  fewer auxiliary  staff that  help support                                                               
teachers  in the  classroom, creating  a  compounding effect.  He                                                               
expressed  his opinion  that the  disparity between  roadside and                                                               
remote districts  is diminishing,  and urban and  rural districts                                                               
are coming together to advocate for practically the same thing.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:27:58 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR recollected  that his school had  two teachers who                                                               
taught  about 20-25  students, one  taught K-6th  grade, and  the                                                               
other taught 7-12th  grade. He said it  is incredibly challenging                                                               
to  teach that  many  grade levels  simultaneously. He  commented                                                               
that  his  question  has  to  do with  various  ways  to  measure                                                               
outcomes.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DUNBAR  said  one of  the  arguments  against  increased                                                               
funding  is that  Alaska has  one of  the worst  outcomes in  the                                                               
nation.  This   argument  conflates  the  outcomes   of  uniquely                                                               
challenged  school  districts,  like   he  just  described,  with                                                               
districts   like  Anchorage,   which  performs   reasonably  well                                                               
relative to  its demographics and  economics. He said when  it is                                                               
advantageous  to do  so, statewide  school district  outcomes are                                                               
conflated to substantiate the  argument against increased funding                                                               
based on poor outcomes.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DUNBAR  asked whether outcomes have  improved or declined                                                               
over the last 20 years.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GARRISON answered  outcomes  have not  improved  as much  as                                                               
school districts  would like to  see, and in some  cases outcomes                                                               
have declined.  He said  one of  the reasons  for the  decline is                                                               
that  the   state  has  not   adequately  invested   in  Alaska's                                                               
education, which has meant eliminating important programs.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:30:28 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR  said if  it is  the case that  the state  has had                                                               
declining outcomes  over the  past 20  years, the  single largest                                                               
change   during  this   period   was  switching   to  a   defined                                                               
contribution  system.  He  suggested  the  legislature  establish                                                               
accountability  measures  for  its policy  choices;  past  policy                                                               
choices  appear  to have  not  worked.  The legislature's  policy                                                               
choices increased  workforce turnover,  it had  damaging effects,                                                               
and over the  last five years, education was  flat-funded, all of                                                               
which  exacerbated student  outcomes.  He  expressed his  opinion                                                               
that accountability  measures are very important.  Looking at the                                                               
largest  change in  the last  twenty  years that  has driven  the                                                               
decline  in  outcomes,  policy   choices  shifted  to  a  defined                                                               
contribution  plan that  adversely  affected teacher  recruitment                                                               
and retention.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GARRISON  added that  the  result  needs more  context  when                                                               
statewide outcomes  are combined  to calculate a  mean. A  lot of                                                               
districts  have done  a lot  of good,  and graduation  rates have                                                               
increased dramatically.  The focus on literacy  has increased. He                                                               
said that  it is  more appropriate to  say student  outcomes have                                                               
not increased the  way districts would like them  to; rather than                                                               
student   outcomes  are   worse  overall.   He  emphasized   that                                                               
investment means the state should  see increased outcomes but has                                                               
not done that.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:32:20 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR   BISHOP   dovetailed   on  student   outcomes,   stating                                                               
standardized  testing has  changed three  times in  the last  ten                                                               
years. He  said getting a  good measure of outcomes  is difficult                                                               
if the  benchmark is  constantly changing.  He agreed  that there                                                               
are school districts out there doing a marvelous job.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:33:07 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  BJORKMAN  brought up  a  previous  statement about  school                                                               
district class  sizes and  the correlation  to support  staff. He                                                               
sought  confirmation that  when school  districts choose  to have                                                               
larger PTR  numbers, they have  already eliminated  support staff                                                               
and  programs that  ensure students  get a  holistic and  healthy                                                               
education.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. GARRISON clarified that school  boards, like the legislature,                                                               
must  allocate a  finite resource.  School boards  make decisions                                                               
that  keep the  system running  and best  benefit those  in their                                                               
charge,  including   determining  the  number  of   pupils  in  a                                                               
classroom  and  whether  to  increase  the  PTR.  The  discussion                                                               
usually begins  with the  primary grades,  then moves  up through                                                               
middle and  high school. These  decisions come down to  funds and                                                               
priorities,  meaning  there may  be  insufficient  funds to  hire                                                               
support staff for a classroom  of 30 1st-graders. It is difficult                                                               
for superintendents and  school boards to figure out  how to fund                                                               
their  schools, administrators  and the  board grapple  with this                                                               
dilemma every year at this time.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:35:32 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN asked whether there  is a trade-off between larger                                                               
class  sizes and  outcomes according  to  scholarly journals  and                                                               
research based on PTR and class size.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. GARRISON  replied that  the data is  pretty clear  that lower                                                               
PTRs  generally result  in higher  student outcomes  in literacy,                                                               
reading,  mathematics, and  science. He  recalled standards  were                                                               
changed  when he  was  first  elected to  the  school board.  The                                                               
standards were  the first big  change, followed by  multiple test                                                               
changes. He  expressed his belief that  it is hard for  the state                                                               
to monitor  outcomes when  tests are  changed every  three years.                                                               
Still, maintaining  the lowest possible  PTRs, especially  in the                                                               
elementary  grades, is  one of  the biggest  factors in  ensuring                                                               
students  will  be   more  successful  for  the   rest  of  their                                                               
educational careers. It provides  a greater opportunity to ensure                                                               
students are proficient in reading by third grade.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:37:21 PM                                                                                                                    
There being no further business to come before the committee,                                                                   
Chair Bjorkman adjourned the Senate Labor and Commerce Standing                                                                 
Committee meeting at 2:37 p.m.                                                                                                  

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